Salus Forum December 3, 2025

Jeff

What did he mean by a second entity?

Bill B

He was saying there’s something else present in the room along with this man. By the way, the quiet that just occurred was what occurred there at that meeting.

Jack

Bill, I’ll just jump in here because I think there are lots of times when I’m working with patients that I find patients are in what theologians call a Thin Place. The veil between our physical being and our spiritual being is very thin. And there are thin places around the world. In Ireland, Iona is considered a thin place. And I’ve been in this place with dying patients many times. As my mother was dying, she was in a thin place for about a month, where she was describing things that were not in her current world. I think in the early eighties, HIV, because it was a death sentence, uniformly a death sentence, created a thin place where that’s what those people were talking about. There was this thin place between the Here and the There. Whatever you think of that there, whether it’s cosmic energy or heaven or hell or spiritual and physical, it is a thin place between those realms. And I think that’s what they were experiencing. And I have experienced that thin place. That’s part of why I love being a doctor, because I get to be with people in that thin space.

Bill G

That’s very powerful. I think that happens at the best of times. And I think those of us who practice for a number of years feel privileged to have experienced that at times. But then we also see the conferences down in Sedona where everybody goes out in the evening and sits under the energy triangle and pretends to commune with whatever cosmic presence is coming down at sunset.

Jack

The part that really pisses me off is that they paid a thousand bucks for Sedona, but resist their four-dollar copay.

Bill G

But it’s sort of like the same issue when we start talking about alternative and complementary therapies. An awful lot of the pop-science around the thin places is very subject to abusive marketing and exploitation.

Bill B

At a more concrete level, Mark, this also reminds me of the things you were talking about. Often in churches, we are likely to find the kid who has been abused or has led a life that everyone will say is going to be crappy. There is that relationship they have with that pastor, that one person. Then it’s making a huge difference. We had a whole Salus Forum session where we discussed how often it takes only one person to make a difference.